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With Soṇa (2nd)

Dutiyasoṇasutta

The Buddha teaches a householder named Soṇa that any true ascetic understands the five aggregates.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

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0.3DutiyasoṇasuttaWith Soṇa (2nd)

1.1Evaṁ me sutaṁ—So I have heard.1.2ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā rājagahe viharati veḷuvane kalandakanivāpe.At one time the Buddha was staying near Rājagaha in the Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground.

1.3Atha kho soṇo gahapatiputto yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinnaṁ kho soṇaṁ gahapatiputtaṁ bhagavā etadavoca:Then the householder Soṇa went up to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him:

2.1“Ye hi keci, soṇa, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā rūpaṁ nappajānanti, rūpasamudayaṁ nappajānanti, rūpanirodhaṁ nappajānanti, rūpanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ nappajānanti;“Soṇa, there are ascetics and brahmins who don’t understand form, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation.2.2vedanaṁ nappajānanti, vedanāsamudayaṁ nappajānanti, vedanānirodhaṁ nappajānanti, vedanānirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ nappajānanti;They don’t understand feeling …2.3saññaṁ nappajānanti …pe…perception …2.4saṅkhāre nappajānanti, saṅkhārasamudayaṁ nappajānanti, saṅkhāranirodhaṁ nappajānanti, saṅkhāranirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ nappajānanti;choices …2.5viññāṇaṁ nappajānanti, viññāṇasamudayaṁ nappajānanti, viññāṇanirodhaṁ nappajānanti, viññāṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ nappajānanti.consciousness, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation.2.6Na me te, soṇa, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā samaṇesu vā samaṇasammatā brāhmaṇesu vā brāhmaṇasammatā, na ca pana te āyasmanto sāmaññatthaṁ vā brahmaññatthaṁ vā diṭṭheva dhamme sayaṁ abhiññā sacchikatvā upasampajja viharanti.I don’t deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables don’t realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and don’t live having realized it with their own insight in this very life.

3.1PTS 3.51Ye ca kho keci, soṇa, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā rūpaṁ pajānanti, rūpasamudayaṁ pajānanti, rūpanirodhaṁ pajānanti, rūpanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ pajānanti;There are ascetics and brahmins who do understand form, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation.3.2vedanaṁ pajānanti …pe…They do understand feeling …3.3saññaṁ pajānanti …perception …3.4saṅkhāre pajānanti …choices …3.5viññāṇaṁ pajānanti, viññāṇasamudayaṁ pajānanti, viññāṇanirodhaṁ pajānanti, viññāṇanirodhagāminiṁ paṭipadaṁ pajānanti.consciousness, its origin, its cessation, and the practice that leads to its cessation.3.6Te ca kho me, soṇa, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā samaṇesu ceva samaṇasammatā brāhmaṇesu ca brāhmaṇasammatā, te ca panāyasmanto sāmaññatthañca brahmaññatthañca diṭṭheva dhamme sayaṁ abhiññā sacchikatvā upasampajja viharantī”ti.I deem them as true ascetics and brahmins. Those venerables realize the goal of life as an ascetic or brahmin, and live having realized it with their own insight.”

3.7Aṭṭhamaṁ.