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SN 22.83PTS SN 3.1051 min read

With Ānanda

Ānandasutta

Ānanda praises Venerable Puṇṇa Mantāniputta, and says that it was when hearing his teaching on the aggregates that he understood the Dhamma.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

  • 0.1Saṁyutta Nikāya 22.83Linked Discourses 22.83
  • 0.29. Theravagga9. Senior Mendicants

0.3ĀnandasuttaWith Ānanda

1.1PTS 3.105Sāvatthinidānaṁ.At Sāvatthī.

1.2Tatra kho āyasmā ānando bhikkhū āmantesi:There Ānanda addressed the mendicants:1.3“āvuso bhikkhave”ti.“Reverends, mendicants!”

1.4“Āvuso”ti kho te bhikkhū āyasmato ānandassa paccassosuṁ.“Reverend,” they replied.1.5Āyasmā ānando etadavoca:Ānanda said this:

2.1“Puṇṇo nāma, āvuso, āyasmā mantāṇiputto amhākaṁ navakānaṁ sataṁ bahūpakāro hoti.“Reverends, the venerable named Puṇṇa son of Mantāṇī was very helpful to me when I was just ordained.12.2So amhe iminā ovādena ovadati:He gave me this advice:2.3‘upādāya, āvuso ānanda, asmīti hoti, no anupādāya.‘Reverend Ānanda, the thought “I am” occurs because of grasping, not without grasping.22.4Kiñca upādāya asmīti hoti, no anupādāya?Grasping what?2.5Rūpaṁ upādāya asmīti hoti, no anupādāya.The thought “I am” occurs because of grasping form,2.6Vedanaṁ …feeling,2.7saññaṁ …perception,2.8saṅkhāre …choices,2.9viññāṇaṁ upādāya asmīti hoti, no anupādāya.and consciousness, not without grasping.

3.1Seyyathāpi, āvuso ānanda, itthī vā puriso vā daharo yuvā maṇḍanakajātiko ādāse vā parisuddhe pariyodāte acche vā udakapatte sakaṁ mukhanimittaṁ paccavekkhamāno upādāya passeyya, no anupādāya;Suppose there was a woman or man who was young, youthful, and fond of adornments, and they check their own reflection in a clean bright mirror or a clear bowl of water. They’d look because of grasping, not without grasping.3.2evameva kho, āvuso ānanda, rūpaṁ upādāya asmīti hoti, no anupādāya.In the same way, the thought “I am” occurs because of grasping form,3.3Vedanaṁ …feeling,3.4saññaṁ …perception,3.5saṅkhāre …choices,3.6viññāṇaṁ upādāya asmīti hoti, no anupādāya.and consciousness, not without grasping.

4.1PTS 3.106Taṁ kiṁ maññasi, āvuso ānanda,What do you think, Reverend Ānanda?4.2rūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā’ti?Is form permanent or impermanent?’

4.3‘Aniccaṁ, āvuso’.‘Impermanent, reverend.’3

4.4‘Vedanā …‘Is feeling …4.5saññā …perception …4.6saṅkhārā …choices …4.7viññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā’ti?consciousness permanent or impermanent?’

4.8‘Aniccaṁ, āvuso’ …pe….‘Impermanent, reverend.’ …

4.9Tasmātiha …pe…‘So you should truly see …4.10evaṁ passaṁ …pe…Seeing this …4.11nāparaṁ itthattāyāti pajānātīti.They understand: “… there is nothing further for this place.”’

4.12Puṇṇo nāma, āvuso, āyasmā mantāṇiputto amhākaṁ navakānaṁ sataṁ bahūpakāro hoti.Reverends, the venerable named Puṇṇa son of Mantāṇī was very helpful to me when I was just ordained.4.13So amhe iminā ovādena ovadati.He gave me this advice.4.14Idañca pana me āyasmato puṇṇassa mantāṇiputtassa dhammadesanaṁ sutvā dhammo abhisamito”ti.And when I heard this teaching from Venerable Puṇṇa son of Mantāṇī, I comprehended the teaching.”

4.15Paṭhamaṁ.

Translator’s notes

  1. Puṇṇa son of Mantāṇī was most famous for his conversation with Sāriputta in MN 24, on the strength of which he was said to be the best Dhamma speaker (AN 1.196). His verse is at Thag 1.4:1.7. For his mother’s name, see note on MN 86:12.12.

    ↩ sn22.83:2.1
  2. “Because of grasping” (upādāya) rather than the commentary’s “derived from”, which takes an object in genitive.

    ↩ sn22.83:2.3
  3. Note the equality in terms of address: a newly ordained monk and their teacher refer to each other as “reverend” (āvuso; see DN 16:6.2.1).

    ↩ sn22.83:4.3