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Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists

Nevahotinanahotisutta

The view that a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death arises from grasping to the five aggregates, which are suffering. But by seeing the aggregates as impermanent, this views is given up.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

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0.3NevahotinanahotisuttaNeither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists

1.1Sāvatthinidānaṁ.At Sāvatthī.

1.2“Kismiṁ nu kho, bhikkhave, sati, kiṁ upādāya, kiṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:“Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise:1.3‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death’?”

1.4“Bhagavaṁmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā …pe…“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”

2.1“Rūpe kho, bhikkhave, sati, rūpaṁ upādāya, rūpaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises:2.2‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’2.3“Vedanāya sati …When feeling …2.4saññāya sati …perception …2.5saṅkhāresu sati …choices …2.6viññāṇe sati, viññāṇaṁ upādāya, viññāṇaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:consciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises:2.7‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti.‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’

3.1Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave,What do you think, mendicants?3.2rūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?Is form permanent or impermanent?”

3.3“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,“Impermanent, sir.” …

3.4api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya:3.5‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?3.6“No hetaṁ, bhante”.

3.7“Iti kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe sati, dukkhaṁ upādāya, dukkhaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:“And so, when suffering exists, because of grasping suffering and insisting on suffering, the view arises:3.8‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’” …

3.9“Vedanā …“Is feeling …3.10saññā …perception …3.11saṅkhārā …choices …3.12viññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?consciousness permanent or impermanent?”

3.13“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,“Impermanent, sir.” …

3.14api nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya:“But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?”3.15‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?

3.16“No hetaṁ, bhante”.“No, sir.”

3.17“Iti kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe sati, dukkhaṁ upādāya dukkhaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:“And so, when suffering exists, because of grasping suffering and insisting on suffering, the view arises:3.18‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’”

3.19Aṭṭhārasamaṁ.