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The Questions of the Student Todeyya

Todeyyamāṇavapucchā

How to recognize an emancipated person.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

  • 0.1Sutta Nipāta 5.10Anthology of Discourses 5.10

0.2TodeyyamāṇavapucchāThe Questions of Todeyya

1.1“Yasmiṁ kāmā na vasanti,“In whom sensual pleasures do not dwell,”1.2(iccāyasmā todeyyo)said Venerable Todeyya,1.3Taṇhā yassa na vijjati;“and for whom there is no craving,1.4Kathaṅkathā ca yo tiṇṇo,and who has crossed over indecision—1.5Vimokkho tassa kīdiso”.of what kind is their liberation?”

2.1“Yasmiṁ kāmā na vasanti,“In whom sensual pleasures do not dwell,”2.2(todeyyāti bhagavā)replied the Buddha,2.3Taṇhā yassa na vijjati;“and for whom there is no craving,2.4Kathaṅkathā ca yo tiṇṇo,and who has crossed over indecision—2.5Vimokkho tassa nāparo”.there is no liberation that is further.”

3.1“Nirāsaso so uda āsasāno,“Are they free of hope, <j>or are they still in need of hope?3.2Paññāṇavā so uda paññakappī;Do they possess wisdom, <j>or are they still forming wisdom?13.3Muniṁ ahaṁ sakka yathā vijaññaṁ,O Sakyan, elucidate the sage to me,3.4Taṁ me viyācikkha samantacakkhu”.so that I may understand, All-seer.”

4.1“Nirāsaso so na ca āsasāno,“They are free of hope, <j>they are not in need of hope.4.2Paññāṇavā so na ca paññakappī;They possess wisdom, <j>they are not still forming wisdom.4.3Evampi todeyya muniṁ vijāna,That, Todeyya, is how to understand a sage,4.4Akiñcanaṁ kāmabhave asattan”ti.one who has nothing, unattached to sensual life.”

4.5Todeyyamāṇavapucchā navamā.

Translator’s notes

  1. Bodhi reads kappī (against the Niddesa) in the sense “manner”. But it seems unlikely Todeyya, or anyone really, would ask whether a sage merely seemed wise. Surely the question must be whether a sage is someone who is still in the process of learning, a question that has been important to the Buddhist traditions and still is today.

    ↩ snp5.10:3.2