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The Questions of the Student Nanda

Nandamāṇavapucchā

Who deserves to be called a sage? Who has crossed over birth and aging?

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

  • 0.1Sutta Nipāta 5.8Anthology of Discourses 5.8

0.2NandamāṇavapucchāThe Questions of Nanda

1.1“Santi loke munayo,“People say there are sages in the world,”1.2(iccāyasmā nando)said Venerable Nanda,1.3Janā vadanti tayidaṁ kathaṁsu;“but how is this the case?1.4Ñāṇūpapannaṁ no muniṁ vadanti,Is someone called a sage because of their knowledge,1.5Udāhu ve jīvitenūpapannaṁ”.or because of their way of life?”

2.1“Na diṭṭhiyā na sutiyā na ñāṇena, (…)“Experts do not speak of a sage in terms of12.2Munīdha nanda kusalā vadanti;view, learning, or knowledge.2.3Visenikatvā anīghā nirāsā,Those who are sages live far from the crowd, I say,2.4Caranti ye te munayoti brūmi”.untroubled, with no need for hope.”

3.1“Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse,“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”3.2(iccāyasmā nando)said Venerable Nanda,3.3Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ;“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,3.4Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ,or in terms of precepts and vows,3.5Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ.or in terms of countless different things.3.6Kaccissu te bhagavā tattha yatā carantā,Living self-controlled in that matter,3.7Atāru jātiñca jarañca mārisa;have they crossed over rebirth and old age, <j>good fellow?3.8Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brūhi me taṁ”.I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”

4.1“Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse,“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”4.2(nandāti bhagavā)replied the Buddha,4.3Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ;“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,4.4Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ,or in terms of precepts and vows,4.5Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ;or in terms of countless different things.4.6Kiñcāpi te tattha yatā caranti,Even though they live self-controlled in that matter,4.7Nātariṁsu jātijaranti brūmi”.they’ve not crossed over rebirth and old age, <j>I declare.”

5.1“Ye kecime samaṇabrāhmaṇāse,“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”5.2(iccāyasmā nando)said Venerable Nanda,5.3Diṭṭhassutenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ;“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,5.4Sīlabbatenāpi vadanti suddhiṁ,or in terms of precepts and vows,5.5Anekarūpena vadanti suddhiṁ.or in terms of countless different things.5.6Te ce muni brūsi anoghatiṇṇe,You say they have not crossed the flood, sage.5.7Atha ko carahi devamanussaloke;So who then in the world of gods and humans5.8Atāri jātiñca jarañca mārisa,has crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?5.9Pucchāmi taṁ bhagavā brūhi me taṁ”.I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”

6.1“Nāhaṁ sabbe samaṇabrāhmaṇāse,“I don’t say that all ascetics and brahmins,”6.2(nandāti bhagavā)replied the Buddha,6.3Jātijarāya nivutāti brūmi;“are shrouded by rebirth and old age.6.4Ye sīdha diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā,There are those here who have given up all6.5Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ.that is seen, heard, and thought, <j>and precepts and vows,6.6Anekarūpampi pahāya sabbaṁ,who have given up all the countless different things.6.7Taṇhaṁ pariññāya anāsavāse;Fully understanding craving, <j>they are free of defilements,6.8Te ve narā oghatiṇṇāti brūmi”.those people, I say, have crossed the flood.”

7.1“Etābhinandāmi vaco mahesino,“I rejoice in the words of the great seer!7.2Sukittitaṁ gotamanūpadhīkaṁ;You have expounded non-attachment well, Gotama.7.3Ye sīdha diṭṭhaṁ va sutaṁ mutaṁ vā,There are those here who have given up all7.4Sīlabbataṁ vāpi pahāya sabbaṁ.that is seen, heard, and thought, <j>and precepts and vows,7.5Anekarūpampi pahāya sabbaṁ,who have given up all the countless different things.7.6Taṇhaṁ pariññāya anāsavāse;Fully understanding craving, <j>they are free of defilements,7.7Ahampi te oghatiṇṇāti brūmī”ti.those people, I agree, have crossed the flood.”

7.8Nandamāṇavapucchā sattamā.

Translator’s notes

  1. The extraneous variant reading sīlabbatena (not in the Niddesa) appears, oddly, in place of the reciter’s identification of the speaker. The parallel phrase at Snp 4.9:5.1 has it on the next line.

    ↩ snp5.8:2.1