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The Longer Discourse on the Mass of Suffering

Mahādukkhakkhandhasutta

Challenged to show the difference between his teaching and that of other ascetics, the Buddha points out that they speak of letting go, but do not really understand why. He then explains in great detail the suffering that arises from attachment to sensual stimulation.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

  • 0.1Majjhima Nikāya 13Middle Discourses 13

0.2MahādukkhakkhandhasuttaThe Longer Discourse on the Mass of Suffering

1.1PTS 1.84Evaṁ me sutaṁ—So I have heard.1.2ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā sāvatthiyaṁ viharati jetavane anāthapiṇḍikassa ārāme.At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.

2.1Atha kho sambahulā bhikkhū pubbaṇhasamayaṁ nivāsetvā pattacīvaramādāya sāvatthiṁ piṇḍāya pāvisiṁsu.Then several mendicants robed up in the morning and, taking their bowls and robes, entered Sāvatthī for alms.2.2Atha kho tesaṁ bhikkhūnaṁ etadahosi:Then it occurred to them,2.3“atippago kho tāva sāvatthiyaṁ piṇḍāya carituṁ,“It’s too early to wander for alms in Sāvatthī.2.4yaṁ nūna mayaṁ yena aññatitthiyānaṁ paribbājakānaṁ ārāmo tenupasaṅkameyyāmā”ti.Why don’t we visit the monastery for the wanderers of other religions?”2.5Atha kho te bhikkhū yena aññatitthiyānaṁ paribbājakānaṁ ārāmo tenupasaṅkamiṁsu; upasaṅkamitvā tehi aññatitthiyehi paribbājakehi saddhiṁ sammodiṁsu;Then they went to the monastery for the wanderers of other religions and exchanged greetings with the wanderers there.2.6sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu. Ekamantaṁ nisinne kho te bhikkhū te aññatitthiyā paribbājakā etadavocuṁ:When the greetings and polite conversation were over, they sat down to one side. The wanderers said to them:

3.1“samaṇo, āvuso, gotamo kāmānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapeti, mayampi kāmānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapema;“Reverends, the ascetic Gotama advocates the complete understanding of sensual pleasures, and so do we.13.2samaṇo, āvuso, gotamo rūpānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapeti, mayampi rūpānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapema;The ascetic Gotama advocates the complete understanding of forms, and so do we.3.3samaṇo, āvuso, gotamo vedanānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapeti, mayampi vedanānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapema;The ascetic Gotama advocates the complete understanding of feelings, and so do we.23.4idha no, āvuso, ko viseso, ko adhippayāso, kiṁ nānākaraṇaṁ samaṇassa vā gotamassa amhākaṁ vā—What, then, is the difference between the ascetic Gotama’s teaching and instruction and ours?”33.5yadidaṁ dhammadesanāya vā dhammadesanaṁ, anusāsaniyā vā anusāsanin”ti?

4.1Atha kho te bhikkhū tesaṁ aññatitthiyānaṁ paribbājakānaṁ bhāsitaṁ neva abhinandiṁsu, nappaṭikkosiṁsu;Those mendicants neither approved nor rejected that statement of the wanderers of other religions.4.2anabhinanditvā appaṭikkositvā uṭṭhāyāsanā pakkamiṁsu:They rose from their seats, thinking,4.3“bhagavato santike etassa bhāsitassa atthaṁ ājānissāmā”ti.“We will learn the meaning of this statement from the Buddha himself.”4

5.1PTS 1.85Atha kho te bhikkhū sāvatthiyaṁ piṇḍāya caritvā pacchābhattaṁ piṇḍapātapaṭikkantā yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkamiṁsu; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu. Ekamantaṁ nisinnā kho te bhikkhū bhagavantaṁ etadavocuṁ:Then, after the meal, when they returned from almsround, they went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and told him what had happened. The Buddha said:5.2“idha mayaṁ, bhante, pubbaṇhasamayaṁ nivāsetvā pattacīvaramādāya sāvatthiṁ piṇḍāya pāvisimha.5.3Tesaṁ no, bhante, amhākaṁ etadahosi:5.4‘atippago kho tāva sāvatthiyaṁ piṇḍāya carituṁ,5.5yaṁ nūna mayaṁ yena aññatitthiyānaṁ paribbājakānaṁ ārāmo tenupasaṅkameyyāmā’ti.5.6Atha kho mayaṁ, bhante, yena aññatitthiyānaṁ paribbājakānaṁ ārāmo tenupasaṅkamimha; upasaṅkamitvā tehi aññatitthiyehi paribbājakehi saddhiṁ sammodimha;5.7sammodanīyaṁ kathaṁ sāraṇīyaṁ vītisāretvā ekamantaṁ nisīdimha. Ekamantaṁ nisinne kho amhe, bhante, te aññatitthiyā paribbājakā etadavocuṁ:5.8‘samaṇo, āvuso, gotamo kāmānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapeti, mayampi kāmānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapema.5.9Samaṇo, āvuso, gotamo rūpānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapeti, mayampi rūpānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapema.5.10Samaṇo, āvuso, gotamo vedanānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapeti, mayampi vedanānaṁ pariññaṁ paññapema.5.11Idha no, āvuso, ko viseso, ko adhippayāso, kiṁ nānākaraṇaṁ samaṇassa vā gotamassa amhākaṁ vā, yadidaṁ dhammadesanāya vā dhammadesanaṁ anusāsaniyā vā anusāsanin’ti.5.12Atha kho mayaṁ, bhante, tesaṁ aññatitthiyānaṁ paribbājakānaṁ bhāsitaṁ neva abhinandimha, nappaṭikkosimha;5.13anabhinanditvā appaṭikkositvā uṭṭhāyāsanā pakkamimha:5.14‘bhagavato santike etassa bhāsitassa atthaṁ ājānissāmā’”ti.

6.1“Evaṁvādino, bhikkhave, aññatitthiyā paribbājakā evamassu vacanīyā:“Mendicants, when wanderers of other religions say this, you should say to them:6.2‘ko panāvuso, kāmānaṁ assādo, ko ādīnavo, kiṁ nissaraṇaṁ?‘But reverends, what’s the gratification, the drawback, and the escape when it comes to sensual pleasures?56.3Ko rūpānaṁ assādo, ko ādīnavo, kiṁ nissaraṇaṁ?What’s the gratification, the drawback, and the escape when it comes to forms?6.4Ko vedanānaṁ assādo, ko ādīnavo, kiṁ nissaraṇan’ti?What’s the gratification, the drawback, and the escape when it comes to feelings?’6.5Evaṁ puṭṭhā, bhikkhave, aññatitthiyā paribbājakā na ceva sampāyissanti, uttariñca vighātaṁ āpajjissanti.Questioned like this, the wanderers of other religions would be stumped, and, in addition, would get frustrated.6.6Taṁ kissa hetu?Why is that?6.7Yathā taṁ, bhikkhave, avisayasmiṁ.Because they’re out of their element.6.8Nāhaṁ taṁ, bhikkhave, passāmi sadevake loke samārake sabrahmake sassamaṇabrāhmaṇiyā pajāya sadevamanussāya yo imesaṁ pañhānaṁ veyyākaraṇena cittaṁ ārādheyya, aññatra tathāgatena vā tathāgatasāvakena vā, ito vā pana sutvā.I don’t see anyone in this world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, its gods and humans—who could provide a satisfying answer to these questions except the Realized One or his disciple or someone who has heard it from them.

7.1Ko ca, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ assādo?And what is the gratification of sensual pleasures?7.2Pañcime, bhikkhave, kāmaguṇā.There are these five kinds of sensual stimulation.7.3Katame pañca?What five?7.4Cakkhuviññeyyā rūpā iṭṭhā kantā manāpā piyarūpā kāmūpasaṁhitā rajanīyā,Sights known by the eye, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.7.5sotaviññeyyā saddā …pe…Sounds known by the ear …7.6ghānaviññeyyā gandhā …Smells known by the nose …7.7jivhāviññeyyā rasā …Tastes known by the tongue …7.8kāyaviññeyyā phoṭṭhabbā iṭṭhā kantā manāpā piyarūpā kāmūpasaṁhitā rajanīyā—Touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.7.9ime kho, bhikkhave, pañca kāmaguṇā.These are the five kinds of sensual stimulation.7.10Yaṁ kho, bhikkhave, ime pañca kāmaguṇe paṭicca uppajjati sukhaṁ somanassaṁ—ayaṁ kāmānaṁ assādo.The pleasure and happiness that arise from these five kinds of sensual stimulation: this is the gratification of sensual pleasures.

8.1PTS 1.86Ko ca, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo?And what is the drawback of sensual pleasures?8.2Idha, bhikkhave, kulaputto yena sippaṭṭhānena jīvikaṁ kappeti—It’s when a gentleman earns a living by means such as8.3yadi muddāya yadi gaṇanāya yadi saṅkhānena yadi kasiyā yadi vaṇijjāya yadi gorakkhena yadi issatthena yadi rājaporisena yadi sippaññatarena—arithmetic, accounting, calculating, farming, trade, raising cattle, archery, government service, or one of the professions.8.4sītassa purakkhato uṇhassa purakkhato ḍaṁsamakasavātātapasarīsapasamphassehi rissamāno khuppipāsāya mīyamāno;But they must face cold and heat, being hurt by the touch of flies, mosquitoes, wind, sun, and reptiles, and risking death from hunger and thirst.8.5ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

9.1Tassa ce, bhikkhave, kulaputtassa evaṁ uṭṭhahato ghaṭato vāyamato te bhogā nābhinipphajjanti.That gentleman might try hard, strive, and make an effort, but fail to accrue riches.9.2So socati kilamati paridevati urattāḷiṁ kandati, sammohaṁ āpajjati:If this happens, they sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion, saying:9.3‘moghaṁ vata me uṭṭhānaṁ, aphalo vata me vāyāmo’ti.‘Oh, my hard work is wasted. My efforts are fruitless!’9.4Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

10.1Tassa ce, bhikkhave, kulaputtassa evaṁ uṭṭhahato ghaṭato vāyamato te bhogā abhinipphajjanti.That gentleman might try hard, strive, and make an effort, and succeed in accruing riches.10.2So tesaṁ bhogānaṁ ārakkhādhikaraṇaṁ dukkhaṁ domanassaṁ paṭisaṁvedeti:But they experience pain and sadness when they try to protect it, thinking:10.3‘kinti me bhoge neva rājāno hareyyuṁ, na corā hareyyuṁ, na aggi daheyya, na udakaṁ vaheyya, na appiyā dāyādā hareyyun’ti.‘How can I prevent my wealth from being taken by rulers or bandits, consumed by fire, swept away by flood, or taken by unloved heirs?’10.4Tassa evaṁ ārakkhato gopayato te bhoge rājāno vā haranti, corā vā haranti, aggi vā dahati, udakaṁ vā vahati, appiyā vā dāyādā haranti.And even though they protect it and ward it, rulers or bandits take it, or fire consumes it, or flood sweeps it away, or unloved heirs take it.10.5So socati kilamati paridevati urattāḷiṁ kandati, sammohaṁ āpajjati:They sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion:10.6‘yampi me ahosi tampi no natthī’ti.‘What once was mine is gone.’10.7Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

11.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu rājānopi rājūhi vivadanti, khattiyāpi khattiyehi vivadanti, brāhmaṇāpi brāhmaṇehi vivadanti, gahapatīpi gahapatīhi vivadanti, mātāpi puttena vivadati, puttopi mātarā vivadati, pitāpi puttena vivadati, puttopi pitarā vivadati, bhātāpi bhātarā vivadati, bhātāpi bhaginiyā vivadati, bhaginīpi bhātarā vivadati, sahāyopi sahāyena vivadati.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures kings fight with kings, aristocrats fight with aristocrats, brahmins fight with brahmins, and householders fight with householders. A mother fights with her child, child with mother, father with child, and child with father. Brother fights with brother, brother with sister, sister with brother, and friend fights with friend.11.2Te tattha kalahaviggahavivādāpannā aññamaññaṁ pāṇīhipi upakkamanti, leḍḍūhipi upakkamanti, daṇḍehipi upakkamanti, satthehipi upakkamanti.Once they’ve started quarreling, arguing, and disputing, they attack each other with fists, stones, rods, and swords,11.3Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.resulting in death and deadly pain.11.4Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

12.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu asicammaṁ gahetvā, dhanukalāpaṁ sannayhitvā, ubhatobyūḷhaṁ saṅgāmaṁ pakkhandanti usūsupi khippamānesu, sattīsupi khippamānāsu, asīsupi vijjotalantesu.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures they don their sword and shield, fasten their bow and arrows, and plunge into a battle massed on both sides, with arrows and spears flying and swords flashing.12.2Te tattha usūhipi vijjhanti, sattiyāpi vijjhanti, asināpi sīsaṁ chindanti.There they are struck with arrows and spears, and their heads are chopped off,12.3Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.resulting in death and deadly pain.12.4Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

13.1PTS 1.87Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu asicammaṁ gahetvā, dhanukalāpaṁ sannayhitvā, addāvalepanā upakāriyo pakkhandanti usūsupi khippamānesu, sattīsupi khippamānāsu, asīsupi vijjotalantesu.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures they don their sword and shield, fasten their bow and arrows, and charge wetly plastered bastions, with arrows and spears flying and swords flashing.613.2Te tattha usūhipi vijjhanti, sattiyāpi vijjhanti, chakaṇakāyapi osiñcanti, abhivaggenapi omaddanti, asināpi sīsaṁ chindanti.There they are struck with arrows and spears, splashed with dung, crushed by a superior force, and their heads are chopped off,713.3Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.resulting in death and deadly pain.13.4Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

14.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu sandhimpi chindanti, nillopampi haranti, ekāgārikampi karonti, paripanthepi tiṭṭhanti, paradārampi gacchanti.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures they break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, and commit adultery.14.2Tamenaṁ rājāno gahetvā vividhā kammakāraṇā kārenti—The rulers would arrest them and subject them to various punishments—14.3kasāhipi tāḷenti, vettehipi tāḷenti, aḍḍhadaṇḍakehipi tāḷenti; hatthampi chindanti, pādampi chindanti, hatthapādampi chindanti, kaṇṇampi chindanti, nāsampi chindanti, kaṇṇanāsampi chindanti; bilaṅgathālikampi karonti, saṅkhamuṇḍikampi karonti, rāhumukhampi karonti, jotimālikampi karonti, hatthapajjotikampi karonti, erakavattikampi karonti, cīrakavāsikampi karonti, eṇeyyakampi karonti, baḷisamaṁsikampi karonti, kahāpaṇikampi karonti, khārāpatacchikampi karonti, palighaparivattikampi karonti, palālapīṭhakampi karonti, tattenapi telena osiñcanti, sunakhehipi khādāpenti, jīvantampi sūle uttāsenti, asināpi sīsaṁ chindanti.whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘Rāhu’s mouth’, the ‘garland of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘bulrush twist’, the ‘bark dress’, the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘caustic pickle’, the ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being fed to the hounds, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.814.4Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.These result in death and deadly pain.14.5Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

15.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu kāyena duccaritaṁ caranti, vācāya duccaritaṁ caranti, manasā duccaritaṁ caranti.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures, they conduct themselves badly by way of body, speech, and mind.15.2Te kāyena duccaritaṁ caritvā, vācāya duccaritaṁ caritvā, manasā duccaritaṁ caritvā, kāyassa bhedā paraṁ maraṇā apāyaṁ duggatiṁ vinipātaṁ nirayaṁ upapajjanti.When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.915.3Ayampi, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo samparāyiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This is a drawback of sensual pleasures to do with lives to come, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.10

16.1Kiñca, bhikkhave, kāmānaṁ nissaraṇaṁ?And what is the escape from sensual pleasures?16.2Yo kho, bhikkhave, kāmesu chandarāgavinayo chandarāgappahānaṁ—idaṁ kāmānaṁ nissaraṇaṁ.Removing and giving up desire and greed for sensual pleasures: this is the escape from sensual pleasures.11

17.1PTS 1.88Ye hi keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā evaṁ kāmānaṁ assādañca assādato ādīnavañca ādīnavato nissaraṇañca nissaraṇato yathābhūtaṁ nappajānanti te vata sāmaṁ vā kāme parijānissanti, paraṁ vā tathattāya samādapessanti yathā paṭipanno kāme parijānissatīti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t truly understand sensual pleasures’ gratification, drawback, and escape in this way for what they are. It’s impossible for them to completely understand sensual pleasures themselves, or to instruct another so that, practicing accordingly, they will completely understand sensual pleasures.17.2Ye ca kho keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā evaṁ kāmānaṁ assādañca assādato ādīnavañca ādīnavato nissaraṇañca nissaraṇato yathābhūtaṁ pajānanti, te vata sāmaṁ vā kāme parijānissanti paraṁ vā tathattāya samādapessanti yathā paṭipanno kāme parijānissatīti—ṭhānametaṁ vijjati.There are ascetics and brahmins who do truly understand sensual pleasures’ gratification, drawback, and escape in this way for what they are. It is possible for them to completely understand sensual pleasures themselves, or to instruct another so that, practicing accordingly, they will completely understand sensual pleasures.

18.1Ko ca, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ assādo?And what is the gratification of forms?18.2Seyyathāpi, bhikkhave, khattiyakaññā vā brāhmaṇakaññā vā gahapatikaññā vā pannarasavassuddesikā vā soḷasavassuddesikā vā, nātidīghā nātirassā nātikisā nātithūlā nātikāḷī nāccodātā paramā sā, bhikkhave, tasmiṁ samaye subhā vaṇṇanibhāti?Suppose there was a girl of the brahmins, aristocrats, or householders in her fifteenth or sixteenth year, neither too tall nor too short, neither too thin nor too fat, neither too dark nor too fair. Is she not at the height of her beauty and prettiness?”

18.3‘Evaṁ, bhante’.“Yes, sir.”

18.4Yaṁ kho, bhikkhave, subhaṁ vaṇṇanibhaṁ paṭicca uppajjati sukhaṁ somanassaṁ—“The pleasure and happiness that arise from this beauty and prettiness18.5ayaṁ rūpānaṁ assādo.is the gratification of forms.

19.1Ko ca, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo?And what is the drawback of forms?19.2Idha, bhikkhave, tameva bhaginiṁ passeyya aparena samayena āsītikaṁ vā nāvutikaṁ vā vassasatikaṁ vā jātiyā, jiṇṇaṁ gopānasivaṅkaṁ bhoggaṁ daṇḍaparāyanaṁ pavedhamānaṁ gacchantiṁ āturaṁ gatayobbanaṁ khaṇḍadantaṁ palitakesaṁ, vilūnaṁ khalitasiraṁ valinaṁ tilakāhatagattaṁ.Suppose that some time later you were to see that same sister—eighty, ninety, or a hundred years old—bent double, crooked, leaning on a staff, trembling as they walk, ailing, past their prime, with teeth broken, hair grey and scanty or bald, skin wrinkled, and limbs blotchy.12

19.3Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave,What do you think, mendicants?19.4yā purimā subhā vaṇṇanibhā sā antarahitā, ādīnavo pātubhūtoti?Has not that former beauty vanished and the drawback become clear?”

19.5‘Evaṁ, bhante’.“Yes, sir.”

19.6Ayampi, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo.“This is the drawback of forms.

20.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, tameva bhaginiṁ passeyya ābādhikaṁ dukkhitaṁ bāḷhagilānaṁ, sake muttakarīse palipannaṁ semānaṁ, aññehi vuṭṭhāpiyamānaṁ, aññehi saṁvesiyamānaṁ.Furthermore, suppose that you were to see that same sister sick, suffering, gravely ill, collapsed in her own urine and feces, being picked up by some and put down by others.

20.2Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave,What do you think, mendicants?20.3yā purimā subhā vaṇṇanibhā sā antarahitā, ādīnavo pātubhūtoti?Has not that former beauty vanished and the drawback become clear?”

20.4‘Evaṁ, bhante’.“Yes, sir.”

20.5Ayampi, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo.“This too is the drawback of forms.

21.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, tameva bhaginiṁ passeyya sarīraṁ sivathikāya chaḍḍitaṁ—Furthermore, suppose that you were to see that same sister as a corpse discarded in a charnel ground. And it had been dead for one, two, or three days, bloated, livid, and festering.1321.2ekāhamataṁ vā dvīhamataṁ vā tīhamataṁ vā, uddhumātakaṁ vinīlakaṁ vipubbakajātaṁ.

21.3Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave,What do you think, mendicants?21.4yā purimā subhā vaṇṇanibhā sā antarahitā, ādīnavo pātubhūtoti?Has not that former beauty vanished and the drawback become clear?”

21.5‘Evaṁ, bhante’.“Yes, sir.”

21.6Ayampi, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo.“This too is the drawback of forms.

22.1PTS 1.89Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, tameva bhaginiṁ passeyya sarīraṁ sivathikāya chaḍḍitaṁ—Furthermore, suppose that you were to see that same sister as a corpse discarded in a charnel ground. And it was being devoured by crows, hawks, vultures, herons, hounds, tigers, leopards, jackals, and many kinds of little creatures …22.2kākehi vā khajjamānaṁ, kulalehi vā khajjamānaṁ, gijjhehi vā khajjamānaṁ, kaṅkehi vā khajjamānaṁ, sunakhehi vā khajjamānaṁ, byagghehi vā khajjamānaṁ, dīpīhi vā khajjamānaṁ, siṅgālehi vā khajjamānaṁ, vividhehi vā pāṇakajātehi khajjamānaṁ.

22.3Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave, yā purimā subhā vaṇṇanibhā sā antarahitā, ādīnavo pātubhūtoti?22.4‘Evaṁ, bhante’.22.5Ayampi, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo.

23-28.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, tameva bhaginiṁ passeyya sarīraṁ sivathikāya chaḍḍitaṁ—Furthermore, suppose that you were to see that same sister as a corpse discarded in a charnel ground.23-28.2aṭṭhikasaṅkhalikaṁ samaṁsalohitaṁ nhārusambandhaṁ, aṭṭhikasaṅkhalikaṁ nimaṁsalohitamakkhitaṁ nhārusambandhaṁ, aṭṭhikasaṅkhalikaṁ apagatamaṁsalohitaṁ nhārusambandhaṁ, aṭṭhikāni apagatasambandhāni disāvidisāvikkhittāni—And it had been reduced to a skeleton with flesh and blood, held together by sinews … A skeleton rid of flesh but smeared with blood, and held together by sinews … A skeleton rid of flesh and blood, held together by sinews …23-28.3aññena hatthaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena pādaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena gopphakaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena jaṅghaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena ūruṭṭhikaṁ, aññena kaṭiṭṭhikaṁ, aññena phāsukaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena piṭṭhiṭṭhikaṁ, aññena khandhaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena gīvaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena hanukaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena dantaṭṭhikaṁ, aññena sīsakaṭāhaṁ.Bones rid of sinews scattered in every direction. Here a hand-bone, there a foot-bone, here an ankle bone, there a shin-bone, here a thigh-bone, there a hip-bone, here a rib-bone, there a back-bone, here an arm-bone, there a neck-bone, here a jaw-bone, there a tooth, here the skull. …

23-28.4Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave, yā purimā subhā vaṇṇanibhā sā antarahitā, ādīnavo pātubhūtoti?23-28.5‘Evaṁ, bhante’.23-28.6Ayampi, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo.

29.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, tameva bhaginiṁ passeyya sarīraṁ sivathikāya chaḍḍitaṁ—Furthermore, suppose that you were to see that same sister as a corpse discarded in a charnel ground.29.2aṭṭhikāni setāni saṅkhavaṇṇapaṭibhāgāni, aṭṭhikāni puñjakitāni terovassikāni, aṭṭhikāni pūtīni cuṇṇakajātāni.And it had been reduced to white bones, the color of shells … Decrepit bones, heaped in a pile … Bones rotted and crumbled to powder.

29.3Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave,What do you think, mendicants?29.4yā purimā subhā vaṇṇanibhā sā antarahitā, ādīnavo pātubhūtoti?Has not that former beauty vanished and the drawback become clear?”

29.5‘Evaṁ, bhante’.“Yes, sir.”

29.6Ayampi, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ ādīnavo.“This too is the drawback of forms.

30.1Kiñca, bhikkhave, rūpānaṁ nissaraṇaṁ?And what is the escape from forms?30.2Yo, bhikkhave, rūpesu chandarāgavinayo chandarāgappahānaṁ—idaṁ rūpānaṁ nissaraṇaṁ.Removing and giving up desire and greed for forms: this is the escape from forms.14

31.1Ye hi keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā evaṁ rūpānaṁ assādañca assādato ādīnavañca ādīnavato nissaraṇañca nissaraṇato yathābhūtaṁ nappajānanti te vata sāmaṁ vā rūpe parijānissanti, paraṁ vā tathattāya samādapessanti yathā paṭipanno rūpe parijānissatīti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t truly understand forms’ gratification, drawback, and escape in this way for what they are. It’s impossible for them to completely understand forms themselves, or to instruct another so that, practicing accordingly, they will completely understand forms.31.2Ye ca kho keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā evaṁ rūpānaṁ assādañca assādato ādīnavañca ādīnavato nissaraṇañca nissaraṇato yathābhūtaṁ pajānanti te vata sāmaṁ vā rūpe parijānissanti paraṁ vā tathattāya samādapessanti yathā paṭipanno rūpe parijānissatīti—ṭhānametaṁ vijjati.There are ascetics and brahmins who do truly understand forms’ gratification, drawback, and escape in this way for what they are. It is possible for them to completely understand forms themselves, or to instruct another so that, practicing accordingly, they will completely understand forms.

32.1PTS 1.90Ko ca, bhikkhave, vedanānaṁ assādo?And what is the gratification of feelings?32.2Idha, bhikkhave, bhikkhu vivicceva kāmehi vivicca akusalehi dhammehi savitakkaṁ savicāraṁ vivekajaṁ pītisukhaṁ paṭhamaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati.It’s when a mendicant, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unskillful qualities, enters and remains in the first absorption, which has the rapture and bliss born of seclusion, while placing the mind and keeping it connected.1532.3Yasmiṁ samaye, bhikkhave, bhikkhu vivicceva kāmehi vivicca akusalehi dhammehi savitakkaṁ savicāraṁ vivekajaṁ pītisukhaṁ paṭhamaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati, neva tasmiṁ samaye attabyābādhāyapi ceteti, na parabyābādhāyapi ceteti, na ubhayabyābādhāyapi ceteti;At that time a mendicant doesn’t intend to hurt themselves, hurt others, or hurt both;32.4abyābajjhaṁyeva tasmiṁ samaye vedanaṁ vedeti.they feel only feelings that are not hurtful.32.5Abyābajjhaparamāhaṁ, bhikkhave, vedanānaṁ assādaṁ vadāmi.Freedom from being hurt is the ultimate gratification of feelings, I say.

33-35.1Puna caparaṁ, bhikkhave, bhikkhu vitakkavicārānaṁ vūpasamā ajjhattaṁ sampasādanaṁ cetaso ekodibhāvaṁ avitakkaṁ avicāraṁ samādhijaṁ pītisukhaṁ dutiyaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati …pe…Furthermore, a mendicant enters and remains in the second absorption …33-35.2yasmiṁ samaye, bhikkhave, bhikkhu pītiyā ca virāgā, upekkhako ca viharati, sato ca sampajāno sukhañca kāyena paṭisaṁvedeti yaṁ taṁ ariyā ācikkhanti: ‘upekkhako satimā sukhavihārī’ti tatiyaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati …pe…third absorption …33-35.3yasmiṁ samaye, bhikkhave, bhikkhu sukhassa ca pahānā dukkhassa ca pahānā pubbeva somanassadomanassānaṁ atthaṅgamā adukkhamasukhaṁ upekkhāsatipārisuddhiṁ catutthaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati, neva tasmiṁ samaye attabyābādhāyapi ceteti, na parabyābādhāyapi ceteti, na ubhayabyābādhāyapi ceteti;fourth absorption. At that time a mendicant doesn’t intend to hurt themselves, hurt others, or hurt both;33-35.4abyābajjhaṁyeva tasmiṁ samaye vedanaṁ vedeti.they feel only feelings that are not hurtful.33-35.5Abyābajjhaparamāhaṁ, bhikkhave, vedanānaṁ assādaṁ vadāmi.Freedom from being hurt is the ultimate gratification of feelings, I say.

36.1Ko ca, bhikkhave, vedanānaṁ ādīnavo?And what is the drawback of feelings?36.2Yaṁ, bhikkhave, vedanā aniccā dukkhā vipariṇāmadhammā—ayaṁ vedanānaṁ ādīnavo.That feelings are impermanent, suffering, and perishable: this is their drawback.16

37.1Kiñca, bhikkhave, vedanānaṁ nissaraṇaṁ?And what is the escape from feelings?37.2Yo, bhikkhave, vedanāsu chandarāgavinayo, chandarāgappahānaṁ—idaṁ vedanānaṁ nissaraṇaṁ.Removing and giving up desire and greed for feelings: this is the escape from feelings.17

38.1Ye hi keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā evaṁ vedanānaṁ assādañca assādato ādīnavañca ādīnavato nissaraṇañca nissaraṇato yathābhūtaṁ nappajānanti, te vata sāmaṁ vā vedanaṁ parijānissanti, paraṁ vā tathattāya samādapessanti yathā paṭipanno vedanaṁ parijānissatīti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.There are ascetics and brahmins who don’t truly understand feelings’ gratification, drawback, and escape in this way for what they are. It’s impossible for them to completely understand feelings themselves, or to instruct another so that, practicing accordingly, they will completely understand feelings.38.2Ye ca kho keci, bhikkhave, samaṇā vā brāhmaṇā vā evaṁ vedanānaṁ assādañca assādato ādīnavañca ādīnavato nissaraṇañca nissaraṇato yathābhūtaṁ pajānanti te vata sāmaṁ vā vedanaṁ parijānissanti, paraṁ vā tathattāya samādapessanti yathā paṭipanno vedanaṁ parijānissatīti—ṭhānametaṁ vijjatī”ti.There are ascetics and brahmins who do truly understand feelings’ gratification, drawback, and escape in this way for what they are. It is possible for them to completely understand feelings themselves, or to instruct another so that, practicing accordingly, they will completely understand feelings.”

38.3Idamavoca bhagavā.That is what the Buddha said.38.4Attamanā te bhikkhū bhagavato bhāsitaṁ abhinandunti.Satisfied, the mendicants approved what the Buddha said.

38.5Mahādukkhakkhandhasuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ tatiyaṁ.

Translator’s notes

  1. This group of three—kāma, rūpa, vedanā—is also found at AN 3.126 and AN 10.29, where it also relates to the teachings of outsiders.

    ↩ mn13:3.1
  2. The text does not say what the wanderers understood by these three full understandings. The commentary says they spoke in reference to, respectively, the first absorption, the formless attainments, and the non-percipient state.

    ↩ mn13:3.3
  3. In questioning this, the wanderers display better discernment than many today, who leap all too readily from the discovery of something in common between religions to the assertion that they are therefore the same.

    ↩ mn13:3.4
  4. This is the quintessential Buddhist attitude when encountering something unknown: to neither accept nor reject, but inquire.

    ↩ mn13:4.3
  5. This set of three questions is a key analytical approach in the suttas. Without an appreciation of both the good and bad sides of things we cannot properly understand them and be free of craving for them.

    ↩ mn13:6.2
  6. Bastions were “wetly plastered” (addāvalepana) for resistance from fire (SN 35.243:7.1).

    ↩ mn13:13.1
  7. For “splashed with dung” (chakaṇakāyapi osiñcanti), PTS reads pakkaṭṭhī, but this word appears to be spurious. The commentary says chakaṇakā means “boiling cowdung”, but nothing in the word itself suggests “boiling”. The Chinese parallels at MA 99 and T 53 have “molten copper” 融銅, while EA 21.9 has “molten iron” (消鐵).

    Abhivagga is only found here in Pali. The Atharvaveda (3.5.2, 6.54.2, 11.2.4) has abhīvarga apparently in the sense of “domain”. The commentary says abhivagga was a “hundred-toothed” weapon that crushed invaders of a castle. However, vagga has the recognized military sense of “cadre, company, platoon”, so I take abhivagga to mean “superior force”.

    ↩ mn13:13.2
  8. The commentary explains these punishments thus. “Porridge pot”: remove the top of the skull and drop in a hot iron ball so that the brains boil over. “Shell-shave”: grind the skull with gravel until it is smooth. “Rāhu”s mouth’: force open the mouth with a skewer, put in oil and wick, and light it so it burns like the sun swallowed by the titan Rāhu (SN 2.9 and SN 2.10). “Garland of fire”: smear the body with oil and set it alight. “Burning hand”: wrap the hand with oiled rags and set it alight. “Bulrush twist”: flay the skin from the neck down, then twist it into a band by which to hang the victim. “Bark dress”: cut the skin in strips and make it into a garment. “Antelope”: pin the bound victim to the ground and roast them alive. “Meat hook”: flay with double fish-hooks. “Coins”: slice off disks of flesh like coins. “Caustic pickle”: beat the victim, then rub the wounds with caustic solution. “Twisting bar”: pin the victim to the ground by the ears and twirl them by the feet. “Straw mat”: beat them until every bone is broken and the body becomes limp as a mattress.

    ↩ mn13:14.3
  9. The drawbacks are escalating, the point being that hell is worse than the punishments described above.

    ↩ mn13:15.2
  10. Previous drawbacks pertained to what is “apparent in this very life” (sandiṭṭhika), whereas this applies to “lives to come” (samparāyika).

    ↩ mn13:15.3
  11. This happens with the realization of non-return.

    ↩ mn13:16.2
  12. The Buddha shifts to “sister”, emphasizing closeness that is respectful but not sexual (SN 35.127:1.6, MN 82:23.3).

    ↩ mn13:19.2
  13. As shown in MN 10:14.3, this meditation proceeds not by objectifying the other’s corpse as repulsive, but by identifying “it”—the neuter-gendered sarīra—with one’s own body.

    ↩ mn13:21.1
  14. Since “forms” also includes the refined visions of meditation, the full understanding of forms only occurs with arahantship.

    ↩ mn13:30.2
  15. The Buddha illustrates “feelings” with the highest and most refined possible feelings, those of jhāna.

    ↩ mn13:32.2
  16. This describes the stage of insight meditation. After the meditator has attained absorption, they reflect that even those sublime feelings are impermanent.

    ↩ mn13:36.2
  17. This occurs at arahantship.

    ↩ mn13:37.2