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The Shorter Discourse on the Mass of Suffering

Cūḷadukkhakkhandhasutta

A lay person is puzzled at how, despite their long practice, they still have greedy or hateful thoughts. The Buddha explains the importance of absorption meditation for letting go such attachments. But he also criticizes self-mortification, and recounts a previous dialog with Jain ascetics.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

  • 0.1Majjhima Nikāya 14Middle Discourses 14

0.2CūḷadukkhakkhandhasuttaThe Shorter Discourse on the Mass of Suffering

1.1PTS 1.91Evaṁ me sutaṁ—So I have heard.1.2ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā sakkesu viharati kapilavatthusmiṁ nigrodhārāme.At one time the Buddha was staying in the land of the Sakyans, near Kapilavatthu in the Banyan Tree Monastery.

2.1Atha kho mahānāmo sakko yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami; upasaṅkamitvā bhagavantaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdi. Ekamantaṁ nisinno kho mahānāmo sakko bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:Then Mahānāma the Sakyan went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,12.2“dīgharattāhaṁ, bhante, bhagavatā evaṁ dhammaṁ desitaṁ ājānāmi:“For a long time, sir, I have understood your teaching like this:2.3‘lobho cittassa upakkileso, doso cittassa upakkileso, moho cittassa upakkileso’ti.‘Greed, hate, and delusion are corruptions of the mind.’2.4Evañcāhaṁ, bhante, bhagavatā dhammaṁ desitaṁ ājānāmi:2.5‘lobho cittassa upakkileso, doso cittassa upakkileso, moho cittassa upakkileso’ti.2.6Atha ca pana me ekadā lobhadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti, dosadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti, mohadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti.Despite understanding this, sometimes my mind is occupied by thoughts of greed, hate, and delusion.2.7Tassa mayhaṁ, bhante, evaṁ hoti:2.8‘kosu nāma me dhammo ajjhattaṁ appahīno yena me ekadā lobhadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti, dosadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti, mohadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhantī’”ti.I wonder what qualities remain in me that I have such thoughts?”2

3.1“So eva kho te, mahānāma, dhammo ajjhattaṁ appahīno yena te ekadā lobhadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti, dosadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti, mohadhammāpi cittaṁ pariyādāya tiṭṭhanti.“Mahānāma, there is a quality that remains in you that makes you have such thoughts.3.2So ca hi te, mahānāma, dhammo ajjhattaṁ pahīno abhavissa, na tvaṁ agāraṁ ajjhāvaseyyāsi, na kāme paribhuñjeyyāsi.For if you had given up that quality you would not still be living at home and enjoying sensual pleasures.3.3Yasmā ca kho te, mahānāma, so eva dhammo ajjhattaṁ appahīno tasmā tvaṁ agāraṁ ajjhāvasasi, kāme paribhuñjasi.But because you haven’t given up that quality you are still living at home and enjoying sensual pleasures.

4.1‘Appassādā kāmā bahudukkhā bahupāyāsā, ādīnavo ettha bhiyyo’ti—Sensual pleasures give little gratification and much suffering and distress, and they are all the more full of drawbacks.4.2iti cepi, mahānāma, ariyasāvakassa yathābhūtaṁ sammappaññāya sudiṭṭhaṁ hoti, so ca aññatreva kāmehi aññatra akusalehi dhammehi pītisukhaṁ nādhigacchati, aññaṁ vā tato santataraṁ;So, Mahānāma, even though a noble disciple has clearly seen this with right wisdom, as long as they do not achieve the rapture and bliss that are apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities, or something even more peaceful than that,34.3atha kho so neva tāva anāvaṭṭī kāmesu hoti.they can return to sensual pleasures.44.4Yato ca kho, mahānāma, ariyasāvakassa ‘appassādā kāmā bahudukkhā bahupāyāsā, ādīnavo ettha bhiyyo’ti—evametaṁ yathābhūtaṁ sammappaññāya sudiṭṭhaṁ hoti, so ca aññatreva kāmehi aññatra akusalehi dhammehi pītisukhaṁ adhigacchati aññaṁ vā tato santataraṁ;But when they do achieve that rapture and bliss, or something more peaceful than that,4.5atha kho so anāvaṭṭī kāmesu hoti.they do not return to sensual pleasures.

5.1PTS 1.92Mayhampi kho, mahānāma, pubbeva sambodhā, anabhisambuddhassa bodhisattasseva sato,Before my awakening—when I was still unawakened but intent on awakening—I too clearly saw with right wisdom that:5.2‘appassādā kāmā bahudukkhā bahupāyāsā, ādīnavo ettha bhiyyo’ti—evametaṁ yathābhūtaṁ sammappaññāya sudiṭṭhaṁ hoti,‘Sensual pleasures give little gratification and much suffering and distress, and they are all the more full of drawbacks.’5.3so ca aññatreva kāmehi aññatra akusalehi dhammehi pītisukhaṁ nājjhagamaṁ, aññaṁ vā tato santataraṁ;But so long as I didn’t achieve the rapture and bliss that are apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities, or something even more peaceful than that,5.4atha khvāhaṁ neva tāva anāvaṭṭī kāmesu paccaññāsiṁ.I didn’t announce that I would not return to sensual pleasures.5.5Yato ca kho me, mahānāma, ‘appassādā kāmā bahudukkhā bahupāyāsā, ādīnavo ettha bhiyyo’ti—evametaṁ yathābhūtaṁ sammappaññāya sudiṭṭhaṁ ahosi, so ca aññatreva kāmehi aññatra akusalehi dhammehi pītisukhaṁ ajjhagamaṁ, aññaṁ vā tato santataraṁ;But when I did achieve that rapture and bliss, or something more peaceful than that,5.6athāhaṁ anāvaṭṭī kāmesu paccaññāsiṁ.I announced that I would not return to sensual pleasures.5

6.1Ko ca, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ assādo?And what is the gratification of sensual pleasures?6.2Pañcime, mahānāma, kāmaguṇā.There are these five kinds of sensual stimulation.6.3Katame pañca?What five?6.4Cakkhuviññeyyā rūpā iṭṭhā kantā manāpā piyarūpā kāmūpasaṁhitā rajanīyā;Sights known by the eye, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.6.5sotaviññeyyā saddā …pe…Sounds known by the ear …6.6ghānaviññeyyā gandhā …Smells known by the nose …6.7jivhāviññeyyā rasā …Tastes known by the tongue …6.8kāyaviññeyyā phoṭṭhabbā iṭṭhā kantā manāpā piyarūpā kāmūpasaṁhitā rajanīyā—Touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.6.9ime kho, mahānāma, pañca kāmaguṇā.These are the five kinds of sensual stimulation.6.10Yaṁ kho, mahānāma, ime pañca kāmaguṇe paṭicca uppajjati sukhaṁ somanassaṁ—The pleasure and happiness that arise from these five kinds of sensual stimulation: this is the gratification of sensual pleasures.6.11ayaṁ kāmānaṁ assādo.

7.1Ko ca, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo?And what is the drawback of sensual pleasures?7.2Idha, mahānāma, kulaputto yena sippaṭṭhānena jīvikaṁ kappeti—It’s when a gentleman earns a living by means such as7.3yadi muddāya yadi gaṇanāya yadi saṅkhānena yadi kasiyā yadi vaṇijjāya yadi gorakkhena yadi issatthena yadi rājaporisena yadi sippaññatarena,arithmetic, accounting, calculating, farming, trade, raising cattle, archery, government service, or one of the professions.7.4sītassa purakkhato uṇhassa purakkhato ḍaṁsamakasavātātapasarīsapasamphassehi rissamāno khuppipāsāya mīyamāno;But they must face cold and heat, being hurt by the touch of flies, mosquitoes, wind, sun, and reptiles, and risking death from hunger and thirst.7.5ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

8.1Tassa ce, mahānāma, kulaputtassa evaṁ uṭṭhahato ghaṭato vāyamato te bhogā nābhinipphajjanti,That gentleman might try hard, strive, and make an effort, but fail to accrue riches.8.2so socati kilamati paridevati urattāḷiṁ kandati sammohaṁ āpajjati ‘moghaṁ vata me uṭṭhānaṁ, aphalo vata me vāyāmo’ti.If this happens, they sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion, saying: ‘Oh, my hard work is wasted. My efforts are fruitless!’8.3Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

9.1Tassa ce, mahānāma, kulaputtassa evaṁ uṭṭhahato ghaṭato vāyamato te bhogā abhinipphajjanti.That gentleman might try hard, strive, and make an effort, and succeed in accruing riches.9.2So tesaṁ bhogānaṁ ārakkhādhikaraṇaṁ dukkhaṁ domanassaṁ paṭisaṁvedeti:But they experience pain and sadness when they try to protect it, thinking:9.3‘kinti me bhoge neva rājāno hareyyuṁ, na corā hareyyuṁ, na aggi daheyya, na udakaṁ vaheyya, na appiyā vā dāyādā hareyyun’ti.‘How can I prevent my wealth from being taken by rulers or bandits, consumed by fire, swept away by flood, or taken by unloved heirs?’9.4Tassa evaṁ ārakkhato gopayato te bhoge rājāno vā haranti, corā vā haranti, aggi vā dahati, udakaṁ vā vahati, appiyā vā dāyādā haranti.And even though they protect it and ward it, rulers or bandits take it, or fire consumes it, or flood sweeps it away, or unloved heirs take it.9.5So socati kilamati paridevati urattāḷiṁ kandati sammohaṁ āpajjati:They sorrow and wail and lament, beating their breast and falling into confusion:9.6‘yampi me ahosi tampi no natthī’ti.‘What once was mine is gone.’9.7Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

10.1Puna caparaṁ, mahānāma, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu rājānopi rājūhi vivadanti, khattiyāpi khattiyehi vivadanti, brāhmaṇāpi brāhmaṇehi vivadanti, gahapatīpi gahapatīhi vivadanti, mātāpi puttena vivadati, puttopi mātarā vivadati, pitāpi puttena vivadati, puttopi pitarā vivadati, bhātāpi bhātarā vivadati, bhātāpi bhaginiyā vivadati, bhaginīpi bhātarā vivadati, sahāyopi sahāyena vivadati.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures kings fight with kings, aristocrats fight with aristocrats, brahmins fight with brahmins, and householders fight with householders. A mother fights with her child, child with mother, father with child, and child with father. Brother fights with brother, brother with sister, sister with brother, and friend fights with friend.10.2Te tattha kalahaviggahavivādāpannā aññamaññaṁ pāṇīhipi upakkamanti, leḍḍūhipi upakkamanti, daṇḍehipi upakkamanti, satthehipi upakkamanti.Once they’ve started quarreling, arguing, and disputing, they attack each other with fists, stones, rods, and swords,10.3Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.resulting in death and deadly pain.10.4Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

11.1Puna caparaṁ, mahānāma, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu asicammaṁ gahetvā, dhanukalāpaṁ sannayhitvā, ubhatobyūḷhaṁ saṅgāmaṁ pakkhandanti usūsupi khippamānesu, sattīsupi khippamānāsu, asīsupi vijjotalantesu.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures they don their sword and shield, fasten their bow and arrows, and plunge into a battle massed on both sides, with arrows and spears flying and swords flashing.11.2Te tattha usūhipi vijjhanti, sattiyāpi vijjhanti, asināpi sīsaṁ chindanti.There they are struck with arrows and spears, and their heads are chopped off,11.3Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.resulting in death and deadly pain.11.4Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

12.1Puna caparaṁ, mahānāma, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu asicammaṁ gahetvā, dhanukalāpaṁ sannayhitvā, addāvalepanā upakāriyo pakkhandanti usūsupi khippamānesu, sattīsupi khippamānāsu, asīsupi vijjotalantesu.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures they don their sword and shield, fasten their bow and arrows, and charge wetly plastered bastions, with arrows and spears flying and swords flashing.12.2Te tattha usūhipi vijjhanti, sattiyāpi vijjhanti, chakaṇakāyapi osiñcanti, abhivaggenapi omaddanti, asināpi sīsaṁ chindanti.There they are struck with arrows and spears, splashed with dung, crushed by a superior force, and their heads are chopped off,12.3Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.resulting in death and deadly pain.12.4Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

13.1Puna caparaṁ, mahānāma, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu sandhimpi chindanti, nillopampi haranti, ekāgārikampi karonti, paripanthepi tiṭṭhanti, paradārampi gacchanti.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures they break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, and commit adultery.13.2Tamenaṁ rājāno gahetvā vividhā kammakāraṇā kārenti—The rulers would arrest them and subject them to various punishments—13.3kasāhipi tāḷenti, vettehipi tāḷenti, aḍḍhadaṇḍakehipi tāḷenti; hatthampi chindanti, pādampi chindanti, hatthapādampi chindanti, kaṇṇampi chindanti, nāsampi chindanti, kaṇṇanāsampi chindanti; bilaṅgathālikampi karonti, saṅkhamuṇḍikampi karonti, rāhumukhampi karonti, jotimālikampi karonti, hatthapajjotikampi karonti, erakavattikampi karonti, cīrakavāsikampi karonti, eṇeyyakampi karonti, baḷisamaṁsikampi karonti, kahāpaṇikampi karonti, khārāpatacchikampi karonti, palighaparivattikampi karonti, palālapīṭhakampi karonti, tattenapi telena osiñcanti, sunakhehipi khādāpenti, jīvantampi sūle uttāsenti, asināpi sīsaṁ chindanti.whipping, caning, and clubbing; cutting off hands or feet, or both; cutting off ears or nose, or both; the ‘porridge pot’, the ‘shell-shave’, the ‘Rāhu’s mouth’, the ‘garland of fire’, the ‘burning hand’, the ‘bulrush twist’, the ‘bark dress’, the ‘antelope’, the ‘meat hook’, the ‘coins’, the ‘caustic pickle’, the ‘twisting bar’, the ‘straw mat’; being splashed with hot oil, being fed to the hounds, being impaled alive, and being beheaded.13.4Te tattha maraṇampi nigacchanti, maraṇamattampi dukkhaṁ.These result in death and deadly pain.13.5Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo sandiṭṭhiko dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This too is a drawback of sensual pleasures apparent in the present life, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

14.1Puna caparaṁ, mahānāma, kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu kāyena duccaritaṁ caranti, vācāya duccaritaṁ caranti, manasā duccaritaṁ caranti.Furthermore, for the sake of sensual pleasures, they conduct themselves badly by way of body, speech, and mind.14.2Te kāyena duccaritaṁ caritvā, vācāya duccaritaṁ caritvā, manasā duccaritaṁ caritvā, kāyassa bhedā paraṁ maraṇā, apāyaṁ duggatiṁ vinipātaṁ nirayaṁ upapajjanti.When their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.14.3Ayampi, mahānāma, kāmānaṁ ādīnavo samparāyiko, dukkhakkhandho kāmahetu kāmanidānaṁ kāmādhikaraṇaṁ kāmānameva hetu.This is a drawback of sensual pleasures to do with lives to come, a mass of suffering caused by sensual pleasures.

15.1PTS 1.93Ekamidāhaṁ, mahānāma, samayaṁ rājagahe viharāmi gijjhakūṭe pabbate.Mahānāma, this one time I was staying near Rājagaha, on the Vulture’s Peak Mountain.15.2Tena kho pana samayena sambahulā nigaṇṭhā isigilipasse kāḷasilāyaṁ ubbhaṭṭhakā honti āsanapaṭikkhittā, opakkamikā dukkhā tibbā kharā kaṭukā vedanā vedayanti.Now at that time several Jain ascetics on the slopes of Isigili at the Black Rock were constantly standing, turning down seats. And they felt painful, sharp, severe, acute feelings due to exertion.6

16.1Atha khvāhaṁ, mahānāma, sāyanhasamayaṁ paṭisallānā vuṭṭhito yena isigilipasse kāḷasilā yena te nigaṇṭhā tenupasaṅkamiṁ; upasaṅkamitvā te nigaṇṭhe etadavocaṁ:Then in the late afternoon, I came out of retreat and went to the Black Rock to visit those Jain ascetics. I said to them,716.2‘kiṁ nu tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, ubbhaṭṭhakā āsanapaṭikkhittā, opakkamikā dukkhā tibbā kharā kaṭukā vedanā vedayathā’ti?‘Reverends, why are you constantly standing, turning down seats, so that you suffer painful, sharp, severe, acute feelings due to exertion?’8

17.1Evaṁ vutte, mahānāma, te nigaṇṭhā maṁ etadavocuṁ:When I said this, those Jain ascetics said to me,17.2‘nigaṇṭho, āvuso, nāṭaputto sabbaññū sabbadassāvī aparisesaṁ ñāṇadassanaṁ paṭijānāti:‘Reverend, the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan claims to be all-knowing and all-seeing, to know and see everything without exception, thus:917.3“carato ca me tiṭṭhato ca suttassa ca jāgarassa ca satataṁ samitaṁ ñāṇadassanaṁ paccupaṭṭhitan”ti.“Knowledge and vision are constantly and continually present to me, while walking, standing, sleeping, and waking.”10

17.4So evamāha:He says,17.5“atthi kho vo, nigaṇṭhā, pubbe pāpakammaṁ kataṁ, taṁ imāya kaṭukāya dukkarakārikāya nijjīretha;“O Jain ascetics, you have done bad deeds in a past life. Wear them away with these severe and grueling austerities.1117.6yaṁ panettha etarahi kāyena saṁvutā vācāya saṁvutā manasā saṁvutā taṁ āyatiṁ pāpassa kammassa akaraṇaṁ;And when in the present you are restrained in body, speech, and mind, you’re not doing any bad deeds for the future.17.7iti purāṇānaṁ kammānaṁ tapasā byantibhāvā, navānaṁ kammānaṁ akaraṇā, āyatiṁ anavassavo;So, due to eliminating past deeds by fervent mortification, and not doing any new deeds, there’s nothing to come up in the future.17.8āyatiṁ anavassavā kammakkhayo, kammakkhayā dukkhakkhayo, dukkhakkhayā vedanākkhayo, vedanākkhayā sabbaṁ dukkhaṁ nijjiṇṇaṁ bhavissatī”ti.With no future consequence, deeds end. With the ending of deeds, suffering ends. With the ending of suffering, feeling ends. And with the ending of feeling, all suffering will have been worn away.”1217.9Tañca panamhākaṁ ruccati ceva khamati ca, tena camha attamanā’ti.We endorse and accept this, and we are satisfied with it.’

18.1Evaṁ vutte, ahaṁ, mahānāma, te nigaṇṭhe etadavocaṁ:When they said this, I said to them,18.2‘kiṁ pana tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, jānātha—‘But reverends, do you know18.3ahuvamheva mayaṁ pubbe na nāhuvamhā’ti?for sure that you existed in the past, and it is not the case that you did not exist?’

18.4‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No we don’t, reverend.’

18.5‘Kiṁ pana tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, jānātha—‘But reverends, do you know18.6akaramheva mayaṁ pubbe pāpakammaṁ na nākaramhā’ti?for sure that you did bad deeds in the past?’

18.7‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No we don’t, reverend.’

18.8‘Kiṁ pana tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, jānātha—‘But reverends, do you know18.9evarūpaṁ vā evarūpaṁ vā pāpakammaṁ akaramhā’ti?that you did bad deeds of this type or that?’

18.10‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No we don’t, reverend.’

18.11‘Kiṁ pana tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, jānātha—‘But reverends, do you know18.12ettakaṁ vā dukkhaṁ nijjiṇṇaṁ, ettakaṁ vā dukkhaṁ nijjīretabbaṁ, ettakamhi vā dukkhe nijjiṇṇe sabbaṁ dukkhaṁ nijjiṇṇaṁ bhavissatī’ti?that so much suffering has already been worn away? Or that so much suffering still remains to be worn away? Or that when so much suffering is worn away all suffering will have been worn away?’

18.13‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No we don’t, reverend.’

18.14‘Kiṁ pana tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, jānātha—‘But reverends, do you know18.15diṭṭheva dhamme akusalānaṁ dhammānaṁ pahānaṁ, kusalānaṁ dhammānaṁ upasampadan’ti?about giving up unskillful qualities in this very life and embracing skillful qualities?’

18.16‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No we don’t, reverend.’

19.1PTS 1.94‘Iti kira tumhe, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, na jānātha—‘So it seems that you don’t know any of these things.19.2ahuvamheva mayaṁ pubbe na nāhuvamhāti, na jānātha—19.3akaramheva mayaṁ pubbe pāpakammaṁ na nākaramhāti, na jānātha—19.4evarūpaṁ vā evarūpaṁ vā pāpakammaṁ akaramhāti, na jānātha—19.5ettakaṁ vā dukkhaṁ nijjiṇṇaṁ, ettakaṁ vā dukkhaṁ nijjīretabbaṁ, ettakamhi vā dukkhe nijjiṇṇe sabbaṁ dukkhaṁ nijjiṇṇaṁ bhavissatīti.19.6Na jānātha—19.7diṭṭheva dhamme akusalānaṁ dhammānaṁ pahānaṁ, kusalānaṁ dhammānaṁ upasampadaṁ.19.8Evaṁ sante, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, ye loke luddā lohitapāṇino kurūrakammantā manussesu paccājātā te nigaṇṭhesu pabbajantī’ti?That being so, when those in the world who are violent and bloody-handed and of cruel livelihood are reborn among humans they go forth as Jain ascetics.’13

20.1‘Na kho, āvuso gotama, sukhena sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ, dukkhena kho sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ;‘Reverend Gotama, pleasure is not gained through pleasure; pleasure is gained through pain.1420.2sukhena cāvuso gotama, sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ abhavissa, rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro sukhaṁ adhigaccheyya, rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro sukhavihāritaro āyasmatā gotamenā’ti.For if pleasure were to be gained through pleasure, King Seniya Bimbisāra of Magadha would gain pleasure, since he lives in greater pleasure than Venerable Gotama.’15

20.3‘Addhāyasmantehi nigaṇṭhehi sahasā appaṭisaṅkhā vācā bhāsitā:‘Clearly the venerables have spoken rashly, without reflection.20.4“na kho, āvuso gotama, sukhena sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ, dukkhena kho sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ;20.5sukhena cāvuso gotama, sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ abhavissa, rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro sukhaṁ adhigaccheyya, rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro sukhavihāritaro āyasmatā gotamenā”ti.20.6Api ca ahameva tattha paṭipucchitabbo:Rather, I’m the one who should be asked about20.7“ko nu kho āyasmantānaṁ sukhavihāritaro rājā vā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro āyasmā vā gotamo”ti?who lives in greater pleasure, King Bimbisāra or Venerable Gotama?’16

20.8Addhāvuso gotama, amhehi sahasā appaṭisaṅkhā vācā bhāsitā, na kho, āvuso gotama, sukhena sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ, dukkhena kho sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ;‘Clearly we spoke rashly and without reflection.20.9sukhena cāvuso gotama, sukhaṁ adhigantabbaṁ abhavissa, rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro sukhaṁ adhigaccheyya, rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro sukhavihāritaro āyasmatā gotamenāti.20.10Api ca tiṭṭhatetaṁ, idānipi mayaṁ āyasmantaṁ gotamaṁ pucchāma:But let that be. Now we ask Venerable Gotama:20.11“ko nu kho āyasmantānaṁ sukhavihāritaro rājā vā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro āyasmā vā gotamo”ti?“Who lives in greater pleasure, King Bimbisāra or Venerable Gotama?”’

21.1Tena hāvuso nigaṇṭhā, tumheva tattha paṭipucchissāmi, yathā vo khameyya tathā naṁ byākareyyātha.‘Well then, reverends, I’ll ask you about this in return, and you can answer as you like.21.2Taṁ kiṁ maññathāvuso nigaṇṭhā, pahoti rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro,What do you think, reverends?21.3aniñjamāno kāyena, abhāsamāno vācaṁ, satta rattindivāni ekantasukhaṁ paṭisaṁvedī viharitun’ti?Is King Bimbisāra capable of experiencing absolute happiness for seven days and nights without moving his body or speaking?’

21.4‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No he is not, reverend.’

21.5‘Taṁ kiṁ maññathāvuso nigaṇṭhā, pahoti rājā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro,‘What do you think, reverends?21.6aniñjamāno kāyena, abhāsamāno vācaṁ, cha rattindivāni …pe…Is King Bimbisāra capable of experiencing absolute happiness for six days …21.7pañca rattindivāni …five days …21.8cattāri rattindivāni …four days …21.9tīṇi rattindivāni …three days …21.10dve rattindivāni …two days …21.11ekaṁ rattindivaṁ ekantasukhaṁ paṭisaṁvedī viharitun’ti?one day?’

21.12‘No hidaṁ, āvuso’.‘No he is not, reverend.’

21.13PTS 1.95‘Ahaṁ kho, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, pahomi aniñjamāno kāyena, abhāsamāno vācaṁ, ekaṁ rattindivaṁ ekantasukhaṁ paṭisaṁvedī viharituṁ.‘But I am capable of experiencing absolute happiness for one day and night without moving my body or speaking.21.14Ahaṁ kho, āvuso nigaṇṭhā, pahomi aniñjamāno kāyena, abhāsamāno vācaṁ, dve rattindivāni …I am capable of experiencing perfect happiness for two days …21.15tīṇi rattindivāni …three days …21.16cattāri rattindivāni …four days …21.17pañca rattindivāni …five days …21.18cha rattindivāni …six days …21.19satta rattindivāni ekantasukhaṁ paṭisaṁvedī viharituṁ.seven days.1721.20Taṁ kiṁ maññathāvuso nigaṇṭhā, evaṁ sante ko sukhavihāritaro rājā vā māgadho seniyo bimbisāro ahaṁ vā’ti?What do you think, reverends? This being so, who lives in greater pleasure, King Bimbisāra or I?’

21.21‘Evaṁ sante āyasmāva gotamo sukhavihāritaro raññā māgadhena seniyena bimbisārenā’”ti.‘This being so, Venerable Gotama lives in greater pleasure than King Bimbisāra.’”

21.22Idamavoca bhagavā.That is what the Buddha said.21.23Attamano mahānāmo sakko bhagavato bhāsitaṁ abhinandīti.Satisfied, Mahānāma the Sakyan approved what the Buddha said.

21.24Cūḷadukkhakkhandhasuttaṁ niṭṭhitaṁ catutthaṁ.

Translator’s notes

  1. Mahānāma was the brother of Anuruddha and Ānanda (Kd 17:1.1.3) which, according to the commentary, makes the Buddha his cousin. He remained in the lay life as a devoted and generous follower, keenly interested in developing his practice. The early texts do not record any occasion of his awakening. However, the commentarial claim that he was a once-returner is supported by passages such as SN 55.22:2.3 and SN 55.21:3.6 that suggest he was indeed a noble disciple.

    ↩ mn14:2.1
  2. As in the opening of the previous discourse, he exhibits curiosity and openness to inquiry.

    ↩ mn14:2.8
  3. The “rapture and bliss that are apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities” includes the first and second jhānas. The text is in present tense: they do not attain jhāna, not they have never attained jhāna. In order to realize the noble truths, Mahānāma must, of course, have practiced the noble eightfold path, which includes jhāna. Indeed, at AN 3.73:1.6 Mahānāma said he understood that in the Buddha’s teaching, “Knowledge is for those with immersion, not those without immersion.” However, a stream-enterer and a once-returner have not fully given up the underlying attachment to sensual pleasures, so unless they are dedicated to regular meditation following that realization, it is possible for their mental clarity to deteriorate and sensual desires to return. It seems that the temptations and business of the lay life had distracted Mahānāma from his meditation.

    ↩ mn14:4.2
  4. The Pali is expressed in a double negative: “they are not one who does not return”.

    ↩ mn14:4.3
  5. The phrasing of this passage echoes that of the first sermon (SN 56.11:9.1).

    ↩ mn14:5.6
  6. A large open area where the Buddha taught occasionally (SN 8.10), but it is most famous as the place the monks Godhika (SN 4.23) and Vakkali took their lives (SN 22.87).

    The practice of constant standing was formerly undertaken by the Bodhisatta (MN 12:45.9).

    ↩ mn14:15.2
  7. The Buddha reports a similar, but more detailed, conversation with Jains at MN 101.

    ↩ mn14:16.1
  8. Even with his own extensive experience in such practices, the Buddha still asks.

    ↩ mn14:16.2
  9. The Jain leader Mahāvīra Vardhamāna is known as Nigaṇṭha Nātaputta in Pali texts. He is regarded as the 24th supreme leader of the Jains, although only he and his predecessor Pārśvanātha (not mentioned in the Pali) are historical. Nigaṇṭha means “knotless” (i.e. without attachments); it is a term for a Jain ascetic. Nātaputta indicates his clan the Ñātikas (Sanskrit jñātiputra; Prākrit nāyaputta). The Pali tradition has confused ñāti (“family”) with nāṭa (“dancer”). Thus Nigaṇṭha Nātaputta means “the Jain monk of the Ñātika clan”.

    ↩ mn14:17.2
  10. The Buddha denied possessing such omniscience; rather, he knows the three knowledges (MN 71:5.5). Nonetheless, he can be poetically considered as “all-knowing” (Thag 2.6:1.4, Thag 16.1:18.1, Thag 1.69:1.2), since he understands the “all” that is the six senses (SN 35.28).

    ↩ mn14:17.3
  11. The Buddha emphasized understanding kamma and relinquishing the causes of new kamma, rather than wearing away the unknowable mass of past kamma.

    Mahāvīra’s emphasis on bad karma of the past presages the modern usage where karma is evoked when something inescapably bad happens.

    ↩ mn14:17.5
  12. The past participle with future tense (nijjiṇṇaṁ bhavissati) indicates a future perfect sense, “will have been worn away”.

    ↩ mn14:17.8
  13. This point is argued in more detail at MN 101:12.2 ff.

    “Cruel livelihood” (kurūrakammantā) is defined at MN 51:9.2, etc.

    ↩ mn14:19.8
  14. At MN 85:10.2 the Buddha says that he too held this belief while still an unenlightened Bodhisatta. Thus not only were his austerities identical with the Jains, so were his beliefs. The Jain text Sūyagaḍa (known in Sanskrit as Sūtrakṛtāṅga) 1.3.4.6 rejects the view that pleasure is gained through pleasure, attributing it to those who disdain the noble path, which its commentary identifies with Buddhists.

    ↩ mn14:20.1
  15. With their path emphasizing painful austerity, there is little to support the idea that the Jains practiced meditation in the Buddhist sense, and certainly not the deep pleasure of jhāna.

    ↩ mn14:20.2
  16. He holds them to the same standard that he himself has already demonstrated: don’t make assumptions, ask.

    ↩ mn14:20.7
  17. The Buddha sat for seven days after his awakening (Ud 1.1:1.3), an achievement also attested for disciples such as Mahākassapa (Ud 3.7:1.3) and the nun Uttamā (Thig 3.2:3.3).

    ↩ mn14:21.19