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A Perfected One

Arahantasutta

If a perfected one has gone beyond all sense of self, would they still refer to themselves as “I”?

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

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1.1“Yo hoti bhikkhu arahaṁ katāvī,“When a mendicant is perfected, well-versed,11.2Khīṇāsavo antimadehadhārī;with defilements ended, bearing the final body:1.3Ahaṁ vadāmītipi so vadeyya,would they say, ‘I speak’,1.4Mamaṁ vadantītipi so vadeyyā”ti.or even ‘they speak to me’?”2

2.1“Yo hoti bhikkhu arahaṁ katāvī,“When a mendicant is perfected, well-versed,2.2Khīṇāsavo antimadehadhārī;with defilements ended, bearing the final body:2.3Ahaṁ vadāmītipi so vadeyya,they would say, ‘I speak’,2.4Mamaṁ vadantītipi so vadeyya;and also ‘they speak to me’.2.5Loke samaññaṁ kusalo viditvā,Skillful, understanding the world’s labels,2.6Vohāramattena so vohareyyā”ti.they’d use these terms as mere expressions.”3

3.1“Yo hoti bhikkhu arahaṁ katāvī,“When a mendicant is perfected, well-versed,3.2Khīṇāsavo antimadehadhārī;with defilements ended, bearing the final body:3.3Mānaṁ nu kho so upagamma bhikkhu,is such a mendicant drawing close to conceit3.4Ahaṁ vadāmītipi so vadeyya;if they’d say, ‘I speak’,3.5Mamaṁ vadantītipi so vadeyyā”ti.or even ‘they speak to me’?”

4.1“Pahīnamānassa na santi ganthā,“Someone who has given up conceit has no ties,4.2Vidhūpitā mānaganthassa sabbe;the ties of conceit are all dissipated.4.3Sa vītivatto maññataṁ sumedho,Though that intelligent person <j>has passed beyond conceiving,4.4Ahaṁ vadāmītipi so vadeyya.they’d still say, ‘I speak’,

5.1Mamaṁ vadantītipi so vadeyya,and also ‘they speak to me’.5.2Loke samaññaṁ kusalo viditvā;Skillful, understanding the world’s labels,5.3Vohāramattena so vohareyyā”ti.they’d use these terms as mere expressions.”

Translator’s notes

  1. Katāvī (“well-versed”) is also found at MN 82:38.5.

    ↩ sn1.25:1.1
  2. The questioner wonders how those who have abandoned the conceit of self could use the word “I”.

    ↩ sn1.25:1.4
  3. An “expression” (vohāra) is a “conveyance” for sharing meaning. It does not implicate the user in a metaphysical view of “Self”. See DN 9:53.5.

    ↩ sn1.25:2.6