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SN 22.60PTS SN 3.682 min read

With Mahāli

Mahālisutta

Mahāli the Licchavi reports to the Buddha that the rival teacher Pūraṇa Kassapa asserts that there is no reason for beings to be either defiled or pure. The Buddha denies this, and goes on to explain how it happens.

Translated by Bhikkhu Sujato · Pāli: Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka · Public domain (CC0) via SuttaCentral

  • 0.1Saṁyutta Nikāya 22.60Linked Discourses 22.60
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0.3MahālisuttaWith Mahāli

1.1PTS 3.69Evaṁ me sutaṁ—So I have heard.1.2ekaṁ samayaṁ bhagavā vesāliyaṁ viharati mahāvane kūṭāgārasālāyaṁ.At one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof.

1.3Atha kho mahāli licchavi yena bhagavā tenupasaṅkami …pe… ekamantaṁ nisinno kho mahāli licchavi bhagavantaṁ etadavoca:Then Mahāli the Licchavi went up to the Buddha … and said to him:

2.1“Pūraṇo, bhante, kassapo evamāha:“Sir, Pūraṇa Kassapa says this:2.2‘natthi hetu natthi paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya;‘There is no cause or reason for the corruption of sentient beings.12.3ahetū appaccayā sattā saṅkilissanti.Sentient beings are corrupted without cause or reason.2.4Natthi hetu natthi paccayo sattānaṁ visuddhiyā;There’s no cause or reason for the purification of sentient beings.2.5ahetū appaccayā sattā visujjhantī’ti.Sentient beings are purified without cause or reason.’2.6Idha bhagavā kimāhā”ti?What does the Buddha say about this?”

3.1“Atthi, mahāli, hetu atthi paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya;“Mahāli, there is a cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings.3.2sahetū sappaccayā sattā saṅkilissanti.Sentient beings are corrupted with cause and reason.3.3Atthi, mahāli, hetu, atthi paccayo sattānaṁ visuddhiyā;There is a cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings.3.4sahetū sappaccayā sattā visujjhantī”ti.Sentient beings are purified with cause and reason.”

4.1“Katamo pana, bhante, hetu katamo paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya;“But sir, what is the cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings?4.2kathaṁ sahetū sappaccayā sattā saṅkilissantī”ti?How are sentient beings corrupted with cause and reason?”

5.1“Rūpañca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantadukkhaṁ abhavissa dukkhānupatitaṁ dukkhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ sukhena, nayidaṁ sattā rūpasmiṁ sārajjeyyuṁ.“Mahāli, if form were absolutely painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings wouldn’t be aroused by it.25.2Yasmā ca kho, mahāli, rūpaṁ sukhaṁ sukhānupatitaṁ sukhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ dukkhena, tasmā sattā rūpasmiṁ sārajjanti;But because form is pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings are aroused by it.5.3sārāgā saṁyujjanti; saṁyogā saṅkilissanti.Since they are aroused by it, they’re caught up in it, and so they become corrupted.5.4Ayaṁ kho, mahāli, hetu, ayaṁ paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya;This is a cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings.5.5evaṁ sahetū sappaccayā sattā saṅkilissanti.This is how sentient beings are corrupted with cause and reason.

6.1Vedanā ca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantadukkhā abhavissa dukkhānupatitā dukkhāvakkantā anavakkantā sukhena, nayidaṁ sattā vedanāya sārajjeyyuṁ.If feeling …6.2Yasmā ca kho, mahāli, vedanā sukhā sukhānupatitā sukhāvakkantā anavakkantā dukkhena, tasmā sattā vedanāya sārajjanti;6.3sārāgā saṁyujjanti;6.4saṁyogā saṅkilissanti.6.5Ayampi kho, mahāli, hetu, ayaṁ paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya.6.6Evampi sahetū sappaccayā sattā saṅkilissanti.

7.1PTS 3.70Saññā ca hidaṁ, mahāli …pe…perception …

7.2saṅkhārā ca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantadukkhā abhavissaṁsu dukkhānupatitā dukkhāvakkantā anavakkantā sukhena, nayidaṁ sattā saṅkhāresu sārajjeyyuṁ.choices …7.3Yasmā ca kho, mahāli, saṅkhārā sukhā sukhānupatitā sukhāvakkantā anavakkantā dukkhena, tasmā sattā saṅkhāresu sārajjanti;7.4sārāgā saṁyujjanti;7.5saṁyogā saṅkilissanti.7.6Ayampi kho, mahāli, hetu, ayaṁ paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya.7.7Evampi sahetū sappaccayā sattā saṅkilissanti.

8.1Viññāṇañca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantadukkhaṁ abhavissa dukkhānupatitaṁ dukkhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ sukhena, nayidaṁ sattā viññāṇasmiṁ sārajjeyyuṁ.consciousness were absolutely painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings wouldn’t be aroused by it.8.2Yasmā ca kho, mahāli, viññāṇaṁ sukhaṁ sukhānupatitaṁ sukhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ dukkhena, tasmā sattā viññāṇasmiṁ sārajjanti;But because consciousness is pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings are aroused by it.8.3sārāgā saṁyujjanti; saṁyogā saṅkilissanti.Since they are aroused by it, they’re caught up in it, and so they become corrupted.8.4Ayampi kho, mahāli, hetu ayaṁ paccayo sattānaṁ saṅkilesāya.This is a cause and reason for the corruption of sentient beings.8.5Evampi sahetū sappaccayā sattā saṅkilissantī”ti.This is how sentient beings are corrupted with cause and reason.”

9.1“Katamo pana, bhante, hetu katamo paccayo sattānaṁ visuddhiyā;“But sir, what is the cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings?9.2kathaṁ sahetū sappaccayā sattā visujjhantī”ti?How are sentient beings purified with cause and reason?”

9.3“Rūpañca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantasukhaṁ abhavissa sukhānupatitaṁ sukhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ dukkhena, nayidaṁ sattā rūpasmiṁ nibbindeyyuṁ.“Mahāli, if form was absolutely pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings wouldn’t grow disillusioned with it.9.4Yasmā ca kho, mahāli, rūpaṁ dukkhaṁ dukkhānupatitaṁ dukkhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ sukhena, tasmā sattā rūpasmiṁ nibbindanti;But because form is painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings do grow disillusioned with it.9.5nibbindaṁ virajjanti; virāgā visujjhanti.Being disillusioned, desire fades away. When desire fades away they are purified.9.6Ayaṁ kho, mahāli, hetu, ayaṁ paccayo, sattānaṁ visuddhiyā.This is a cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings.9.7Evaṁ sahetū sappaccayā sattā visujjhanti.This is how sentient beings are purified with cause and reason.

10.1PTS 3.71Vedanā ca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantasukhā abhavissa …pe…If feeling …

10.2saññā ca hidaṁ, mahāli …pe…perception …

10.3saṅkhārā ca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantasukhā abhavissaṁsu …pe…choices …

10.4viññāṇañca hidaṁ, mahāli, ekantasukhaṁ abhavissa sukhānupatitaṁ sukhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ dukkhena, nayidaṁ sattā viññāṇasmiṁ nibbindeyyuṁ.consciousness was absolutely pleasurable—soaked and steeped in pleasure and not steeped in pain—sentient beings wouldn’t grow disillusioned with it.10.5Yasmā ca kho, mahāli, viññāṇaṁ dukkhaṁ dukkhānupatitaṁ dukkhāvakkantaṁ anavakkantaṁ sukhena, tasmā sattā viññāṇasmiṁ nibbindanti;But because consciousness is painful—soaked and steeped in pain and not steeped in pleasure—sentient beings do grow disillusioned with it.10.6nibbindaṁ virajjanti; virāgā visujjhanti.Being disillusioned, desire fades away. When desire fades away they are purified.10.7Ayaṁ kho, mahāli, hetu, ayaṁ paccayo, sattānaṁ visuddhiyā.This is a cause and reason for the purification of sentient beings.10.8Evampi sahetū sappaccayā sattā visujjhantī”ti.This is how sentient beings are purified with cause and reason.”

10.9Aṭṭhamaṁ.

Translator’s notes

  1. This view is attributed to the Bamboo-staffed Ascetic Gosāla, founder of the Ājīvakas, at DN 2:20.2. There, Pūraṇa Kassapa advocates the inefficacy of action (DN 2:16.1), while at SN 46.56 he is said to teach that there is no cause for knowledge.

    ↩ sn22.60:2.2
  2. This section parallels SN 14.34.

    ↩ sn22.60:5.1